and he and carl evan and several others were talking about a plan that might seek to replace the defense cuts by raising taxes. at long last, after all of this fighting, raising some taxes. is that, do you think, is such an idea, would that be ameanable in the house, is anybody talking about it? do you think, as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, it might become something people will be willing to consider? >> that remains to be seen. you know, in the heat of the election has passed us in november, then is the time we need to sit down and be very, very serious about dealing with it. it would be disastrous, military especially. we would go back to preworld war ii army marine personnel. we would go back to 1915 on naval ships, on navy ships. and this kind of a world that we live in, that's just intolerable. we simply cannot do that. so i think the pressure will be intense. after the election, and people say well, the election's over, let's get down to business. i think the pressure's going to be intense. the deal with the sequesteration matter, and i've noticed, i think it's is so-called g